Claim: The ice on the deck of the Titanic is explained by Gardiner as ice from the rigging of both the Titanic and the mystery ship she hit. everything else was added. The switch theory primarily rests on the alleged premise that the sinking was a deliberate act to recover insurance money, to rescue the White Star Line from bankruptcy. 41. 16. and would never get a job when they got out. This is where it landed, just on that forewell deck. December 31 st 1911. His translation of Verdis Simon Boccanegra was staged by the English National Opera in 1985, and he wrote the libretto for the operatic adaptation of Salman Rushdies tale Haroun and the Sea of Stories, staged at the New York City Opera (2004). furniture and panelling was better that the Olympic is not accurate; furnishings and paneling aboard Titanic were, with the exception of unique rooms such as the Firstly, it is true that the Carpathia had a capacity of more than what the Titanic was carrying - the Carpathia was certified for more than 2800. The long list of differences is discussed on the previous page here. Ballard has written several books between 1987 - 2021 and all state in no uncertain terms that he discovered the Titanic - not the Olympic. a manifest needs to be presented (and in the grand scheme of things and the overwhelming evidence a 'switch' did not take place would prove very little anyway). Frankfurt (140 miles) Norddeutscher Lloyd Line Eastbound, Galveston to Bremerhaven. In the following photographs we can clearly see a curved wheelhouse under construction during Olympic's fitting out stage, firstly just prior to launch and secondly after the launch. Difference in number of Titanic's portholes It is the Olympic, not Titanic. This woodwork has the reverse sides clearly marked. seemingly confuses the two in name. According to Gardiner, the original plan to pull off the sinking after the switch was to slowly flood the ship by opening the seacocks. Fenton developed an early interest in poetry and at 17 traveled to Austria to visit W.H. According to a Mirror article about Southampton entitled "The City That Lost a Generation to the Titanic Disaster" (March 24, 2012) "17,000 men were without work that April" due to the coal strike. First and foremost there is no documented evidence to verify it. between eighty and ninety feet.". Above right: Titanic , while still on the stocks and while fitting out in 1911, allegedly shows that there was no similar joint in her hull plating just ahead of her port side anchor. 30. If not insurance, a switch would keep the company operational, 12. Discoloured plating on Titanic surviving crew got to port they were all taken aside and met by two men, one There is no proof that a man named James Fenton, also known as Paddy Fenton or "Paddy the Pig" was ever aboard Titanic; his name is not on any of the crew lists or among any of the survivor lists. Florence Ismay (wife of J Bruce Ismay, chairman of White Star) also cancelled along with their children, and just like Morgan she said she was ill, and instead went on a motoring holiday! sailed in a great hurry from Belfast and said that when they hit the iceberg it Linoleum flooring covered with carpets, 34. Able Bodied Seaman Frederick Clench who was in lifeboat No. So higher or sealed bulkheads would not necessarily have prevented Titanic from sinking, The fireplace filmed in 1995 and which partly was shown in the "Titanic" movie at the beginning were actually the fireplace of sitting room B 51 which was occupied by Mrs. Cardeza and her son. 27. When the Titanic sailed on her maiden voyage in April 1912, the number of passengers that she was carrying was very similar to the number that was booked onto Olympic for her maiden voyage the year before. This claim is often mentioned alongside the above claim about the apparent discrepancy in the number of portholes on Titanic's port side bow. Firstly Titanic was not a "steel double-hulled vessel". We know that Titanic had spare propellers made (as after the disaster they were used for memorials) so it would not be unreasonable to expect Olympic was the same. I think it is impossible that the Olympics keel was damaged in the collision, as Robin Gardiner speculates in his 1998 book Titanic: The Ship That Never Sank? It must be pointed out that after the Titanic disaster, Olympic's wheelhouse was changed to a rectangular configuration, one of many improvements made during the 1912/13 refit. The fields are mined and the wind blows cold. Claim: Since an iceberg could not inflict such damage on a steel double-hulled vessel such as the Titanic, it must have hit Numerous ships were stationed nearby despite a coal strike, 27. In this photograph we see Captain Smith and First officer Murdoch on Olympic's bridge and clearly see a curved wheelhouse behind them. Secondly, there was a rush to get the ship to Southampton to begin provisioning for the maiden voyage. Fenton was born to an Anglican priest and his wife, who died when Fenton was 10. 26 'James Fenton antiques' For Sale and Sold ( 4 For Sale 22 Sold) Page 1. Titanic's insurance was increased 5 days before sailing About 29 results for James Fenton's poetry masterclass. And that paneling" This has led some to believe that Titanic's first class dining room, unlike the Olympic, was in fact carpeted over, as later portrayed in James Cameron's film "Titanic". For many years afterward its port and starboard White Star insignia were used as prizes by a local Sea Scout group. About James Fenton. 4. It is likely connected with the false claim that the name Olympic was allegedly filmed by Dr. Ballard during his 1986 dive to the wreck -proven to be false in point no.38 here. performance on her maiden voyage, and as the speed increased, Titanic was well placed to exceed her sisters average speed.". The ship had never been at James Fenton, in full James Martin Fenton, (born April 25, 1949, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England), English poet and journalist who was remarked upon for his facility with a wide variety of verse styles and for the liberal political views threading his oeuvre. In the documentary James Cameron explains: These rooms, they were called the Millionaire's Suites, we went into the one that was reserved for J.P. Morgan. 5 on starboard. And as Titanic author Bruce Beveridge points out, the very reason it has a specific build number on it was due to the fact that the propellers were not interchangeable, due to the specific pitch of the blades designed for each ship. There is no evidence the insurance was increased - let alone by more than double its value, which would immediately raise suspicion. Mount Temple (50 miles) Canadian Pacific Steamship Company cargo ship, Westbound, London to St. John's, Newfoundland Titanic did not strike an iceberg And also the Olympic was 500 miles away and would have been a much better solution if such a rescue was necessary. There he won the Newdigate Prize for Poetry, a contest wherein students wrote poetry on a set topic, in this case the opening of trade and diplomatic relations between Japan and the United States in 185354. the evidence that the number 400 (Olympic's number) is all over Olympic's woodwork (see more information on this here). james fenton titanic. Though a stint reporting from Germany for The Guardian (197879) was ultimately abortive, A Vacant Possession (1978), his pamphlet of narrative poems, was a critical success. as already discussed here the Olympic's damage from HMS Hawke did not exceed $125,000, and there is independent verification of this fact. 7. When the This photograph of Titanic leaving Belfast on her way to begin sea trials allegedly reveals discoloured plating in the same location where Olympic had damage after its collision with HMS Hawke. NOTE: There is also an allegation in the form of 'meme' that the wreck does not match Titanic's B-deck window configuration, which is addressed in full in this point here. To be able to go into that room and see that marble fireplace still sitting there 23. Mark's." Only a limited number of changes required for a switch, 8. While there were costs involved in repairing the damage in the Olympic/Hawke collision, and that the Olympic was out of service meant lost revenue, the fact is that as a business the White Star Line was not going bankrupt and there simply was no need for a 'switch'. A few passengers, 2nd Class passenger Lillian Bentham and Emily Rugg reported that someone jumped it from an upper deck which might have been A Deck. ships the crows nest bell seldom has any writing on it.". However, as discussed in point 36 (below), almost certainly James Fenton was not aboard Titanic as he claimed. boilers were on. Take a look at the two photographs and compare for yourself. The list is believed to be accurate, but may contain some errors. 3. It must first be stated that it is correct that there is a difference between Olympic in Titanic in this regard. [American Inquiry, Day 7] There is no mention that he jumped in from B Deck. It is not surprising that even Frank Finch doubted the third-hand story he relayed. Regardless, the key issue with this claim - like so many - is that there is no verifiable record of this - no exact quotation, date, location, photograph or even independent testimony of the account. It must be noted that the Official Secrets Act of 1911 was specifically concerned with espionage that would benefit enemy military use. This has been touted by some as the no.1 piece of evidence of a 'switch' - that allegedly the Olympic had a flat wheelhouse not a curved one, hence matching the flat shaped wheelhouse found on the wreck. In another attempt to find a photographic inconsistency to support a 'switch' theory, this one is probably the hardest to see or make sense of. the Olympic. Titanic was sailing a popular North Atlantic route, known to be busy at that time of year. Dr. Fenton is a board-certified, fellowship-trained thoracic surgeon with training and experience in thoracic oncology and minimally invasive surgery, including robotic surgery. Captain Smith posing for one of Southampton's local newspapers shortly before Titanic's sailing day. The Poetry Archive -- James Fenton is one of the numerous poets featured on this fantastic website. Secondly, there are many eyewitness accounts and descriptions of an iceberg. Seacocks opened to hasten the sinking Incidentally, although called 'Old Reliable' her 24 years Difference in Titanic's name plate 5. such as Titanic's A Deck promenade which was enclosed by a steel screen with sliding windows, to provide additional shelter, and the promenades on Titanic's B Deck which were reduced in size, and the space used for additional cabins and public rooms, including two luxury suites with private promenades. and to be able to compare our video with a period photograph of the time and look at the veining in the marble and realise it is the same thing, it was like a fingerprint. This particular claim began when Robin Gardiner stated in his book that when the name on the bow of the Titanic wreck was cleared of rust (allegedly filmed by Dr. Ballard during his 1986 dive to the wreck), the raised letters 'M, P & Y' were visible. They also question why on the night of the collision the captain of the Californian decided to sleep fully clothed on a five and a half foot couch in the chart room and ordered that her boilers be kept fired up and the engines on standby. 'Titanic of the skies': The story of London's ill-fated luxury airship service to Melbourne. Titanic researcher and wreck explorer Parks Stephenson, who most recently was involved in photographing the Titanic wreck in 2019, simply replied: "People will see what they want" (26/09/2019) and posted this image: Claim: The starboard B-deck windows on the wreck are narrow, which matches the Olympic, not the Titanic. Did they have some idea that the ship which they were on was not the Titanic, but her damaged sister Olympic? In regard to J.P. Morgan cancelling "at the last minute," research by Mark Baber and posted on Encyclopedia Titanica actually reveals it to be an urban myth. (courtesy Steve Hall), According to Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou, "the two additional portholes on Olympic were added about March 1912 during her short stay in Belfast and before the maiden voyage of Titanic. Any discolouration could be explained as due to lighting conditions and/or photographic imperfections. Also, a coal bunker fire was indeed burning on Titanic, although it was put out before the collision and in any case as it is not explosive would not have caused the damage described (more information here). But please read this information first, where it clearly shows that Lloyds records do not agree with this at all. However, as with the mythical "private flat in the Wirral" claim, this is devoid of any documented evidence. Also several other passengers such as Lady Duff Gordon and Edith Rosenbaum reported ice on the deck. It clearly occurred in a different part of the ship than where the Titanic split. Gewinner und Nominierte des Golden Globe Award in der Kategorie Beste Filmmusik (Best Original Score - Motion Picture), die die herausragendsten Leistungen von Komponisten des vergangenen Kalenderjahres prmiert.Die Kategorie wurde im Jahr 1948 ins Leben gerufen. 1 were never lit at all. During this process workers allegedly discovered the name Olympic 'carved into the gunwhales,' as 'the old name had been filled with putty and painted over.' 19344. In summary Gardiner's allegations that Titanic was in fact a damaged Olympic struggling to maintain speed does not add up, especially when you consider that he alleges And to finally put it to rest we have a photograph of Captain Smith on Titanic's bridge on sailing day - and the wheelhouse is clearly flat behind him. He had called The crew aboard Titanic from Belfast to Southampton were (except for the deck officers) local operators (or "runners") who mostly worked on voyages that were made locally, and did this with a number of ships, not just Titanic. No, and for one very simple reason: it is a faux marble fireplace. The wreck clearly has a flat wheelhouse and hence it must be Titanic. Mark Chirnside writes regarding the bell in his dissertation: "The absence of a name on this bell does not prove that the ship was CLAIM: Titanic's insurance was increased 5 days before the maiden voyage which resulted in J. P. Morgan receiving $12 million in insurance payouts from Lloyds Maritime Insurance. Difference in port side joint plating, 20. First and foremost we must address the fact that 'tonnage' mentioned here does not refer to a ship's "weight". A man named James A. Fenton who was a construction worker for the construction of the Titanic said they were switched. Auden, with whom he developed an intermittent friendship and to whose poems his own were later stylistically likened. What they seem to miss is that this is clearly a fake, computer generated image, as it doesn't match any other footage ever shot of the wreck let alone the bow section. What is blatantly omitted in this claim is that of course - as Titanic had only just finished being fitted out and completed her sea trials and was on her maiden voyage (which only lasted 5 days), there was obviously not enough time to produce the required artwork and photographs of her. This claim shows a total ignorance, not only of Olympic and Titanic but of ships and shipbuilding in general. The cost of switching the ships (note point 5 about the number of changes necessary on both ships) and additional ongoing costs of keeping thousands of people quiet would be enormous and most importantly completely unnecessary. Titanic was not open for the press and public inspection 3. 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