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It only does BOUSSINESQ wave interaction and NOT sediment transport but you can still get a lot of good design-feedback There's been significant coastal erosion (acute) along the GOR in recent years, though only a handful of places have experienced coastal recession (chronic). Sea level rise equation is based on the Bruun Rule to ascertain erosion in open coastal areas like Collaroy. That means that the Feds have all the money, the States some and the councils bugger all. Surely, private properties can be protected but public amenities will require huge ongoing costs to keep up with the public requirement (sand nourishment is the first thing that comes to mind). However, the bean counters and quantity surveyors were extremely difficult for obvious reasons. Thats tens of thousands of homes). The point i guess im coming to is, and i know an old couple whose property is very exposed to this issue, who have lived there since 1960's and are now in their 80's and likley won't see the impeding issues in their lifetime - but really they have done nothing wrong, bought an old shack in a place they love when no one lived up here, I wouldnt say there are a lot of people left like that but there are a few I know up here a version of that and the whole "screw those rich pricks" mantra is just divisive. Unlike other approaches like soft beach nourishment, they offer a long term solution to shoreline erosion. Narrabeen and Collaroy residents hold signs and protest their opposition towards the sea wall extension plans in November 2012 In November 2002, Harmer and Donohue led a protest against a $12 million sea wall, proposed by Warringah Council, with 3000 people linking arms along a 1.1km stretch of beach. and who can afford to pay the rates and any rate increases due to sea wall construction costs, which will leave rate payers on low and middle incomes moving toward rather than away from poverty. That this kind of construction was approved with the obvious impacts on the public domain (the beach) simply beggars belief, and the real focus should be on the process to consider the design options and then issue the approval. It is worth remembering that this council, as Warringah, council, was twice dismissed for corruption and incompetence. Thanks Craig aod if you are THE Jody P, yes you are a ledge. This widely publicized protest was an attempt to promote a pro-democracy, civil liberty, social justice message, and to protest against corporate greed and economic inequality. You would never be allowed to build an incorrectly designed bridge, so why do these people get away with doing that at our beaches ? At what point do we put an end to this insanity. [happy to stand corrected on any of this] After five years and four contests, the performance level at Kelly's Hot Tub hasn't evolved but instead gone the other way. They needed see this, but still probably wouldnt t have believed it. Well now we know who is responsible for this debacle. The Collaroy Beach coastline on May 6, 2016 before major storms swept the shoreline. Water is manageable but comes with a huge expense and loss of nature. I think the wall is actually a good warning of exactly what governments mean by "adaptation and mitigation"..expensive projects for the construction industry rather than sound ecological management. walkways to viewing platforms & beaches, selective weed management, planting, education, etc), Give nature a chance, it will rebound & stabilise dunes or else find a new equilibrium.< inland. Though still in its early days, the reef - which cost $18 million - has maintained beach width since it was completed in 2019. As a result, dried out sediments are carried by the wind towards the land. Sorry wasnt specifically referring to collaroy which I completely agree has been a known and long term problem. Maybe start a thread in the Forumsand you must have a few Wild sea tales to tell with 560 Lord Howe trips under your belt. Bullshit. Unlike politicians, scientists are usually very open with sharing their knowledge and data, to help inform the public. All of Ramsgate, Brighton, Kyeemagh, Dolls Point, Scarborough Park and lots more will be underwater in 50 or 100 years time. https://files.northernbeaches.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/collaroy-na Collaroy Stormwater Pipe Outlet How was Collaroy Beach made? What insanity! It's going to be interesting to see how it holds up after this weekend/early next week with another round of resonably solid E/NE cyclone swell hitswho's going down to take more photos and show the aftermath?!! Have you done a study already? Seawalls protect the bases of cliffs, land and buildings against erosion in areas where rapid coastal erosion is beginning to pose a serious threat to. The coastline in SW Vic has evolved to respond to a dominant SW swell and storm pattern - that's why the beaches face the way they do. For Sydney its not just beach suburbs. High-quality Collaroy Beach Wall Art designed and sold by artists. My working assumption is that they have behaved unethically on this matter. Not off topic JS, wouldn't be surprised if there is a hyperlink to that video in the sea wall approval document!. My comment in the other article also notes that across this region, "it is illegal to establish, maintain or use a spoil ground or other ocean disposal point (including dumping materials at sea)". Stick your comments up your arse fuckwit engineers dont approve shit like this they get paid to do what they are told direct your retarded comments at millionaire house owners and council you piece of shit. RFS DU SOL's new album cover to Surrender is on point.. Collaroy sea wall 1.8 mts higher than the Berlin Wall https://i.imgur.com/DuHM6zJ.gifv Seeing and continuing a precedent that the government should pay and protect small groups of private landholders while the property owner reap the benefit and profit of rocket fuel property prices. Look at offshore reefs around all the pacific islands. I like the cut of your pedantic job, there Lilas. Furthermore they have facilitated an increase of erosion to adjacent beaches. The seawall is protected from the direct onslaught of waves by rows of granite boulders which are reinforced every year to stop erosion. when roads and buildings are about to fall into the sea. The Gold Coast has undoubtedly the most at risk coastline in Australia. The Collaroy Beach coastline on May 6, 2016 before major storms swept the shoreline. As far as I know their job was to asses the designs given to them by the Coastal engineers, not to actually create any designs. Why would you bother acquiring the affected properties "at any cost", when they're likely to be washed into the sea? In the early 2000s, Warringah Council (as it was then known, its since been amalgamated with Manly and Pittwater) spent $6 million dollars buying three properties. A number of properties along the oceanfront from Narrabeen to Collaroy were seriously endangered by erosion during a large storm swell in 2016. If they are falling into the ocean or they require extensive works or continual maintenance, then what is the market value? Construction costs are 80% homeowner funded. development, carparks & roads behind the hind dunes leading to biketracks, walkways, supporting the community including Tonights high tide is 1.34m, tomorrow morning is 1.96m. My NSW water buddy says MHL are coyboys. Am I missing something with the job title there? For those who object to it, there is something hostile about Collaroy's multi-million-dollar sea wall. How to Build a Seawall: Step 1: Conduct a thorough examination of the surrounding area and environment. @Craig - Seem us humans have been doing dumb shit for quite a while now. Will try and find out. Well go for them, put in your FOI requests and prove what we all suspect; that the council turned a blind eye to save themselves some money and appease a noisy minority. The first application for a sloping structure was widely publicised and accepted by most who saw it. However, a few queries regarding your post: "Sure if youve bought the last 5 years ignorance cant be an excuse" - why does five years give one grace? Indeed. Im worried they will put one of these in at a beachie around here as the carpark and rd are imminent to be taken by the ocean and Im sure that will dramatically change the profile of that beach. A few pics. Who is going to want to inherit that when they exchange contracts? So says Brendan Donohoe of the conundrum facing Northern Beaches Council in relation to the Collaroy beachfront. 314k members in the sydney community. In a 2007 story for the Sydney Morning Herald, both Rob Stokes and a spokesperson for Warringah Council admit buyback isnt feasible and that other means of defence would be necessary, such as dune reconstruction, revegetation, and sand nourishment. Futile. Will be ironic if they have to pull it down for not meeting code on the steps. We had made a big mistake that would become bigger. Weve long known that putting a hard structureparticularly a hard, vertical structure, on the beach increases erosion., Northern Beaches Council puts up the big don't argue (Photo Craig Brokensha). Most swells will have to wrap around the rock/reef headlands as well as cape Otway before this and nicely wrap the swell into the bays and our coast has been shaped like this for however thousands of years so it is used to it, and this is what us humans observe as the normal state of the beaches as they are quite predictable and dont change much around here. We all have valuable opinions, but they need to be separated from facts at all times, especially when it comes to Journalism. That ABC article is spot on when it comes to waterfront properties. Where I live though the beach has no erosion issues but the council is trying curtail landowners rights significantly due to potential sea level rises combined with 1 in 100 year storms etc. All of which. Has been for a while. We do, but unfortunately we also have a pervasive mindset in surfing that everything should stay the same as it was back in the good old days. This issue is not exclusive to the NB or sea level rise or storm surge. Just like when the stock price of a company increases because of a speculated takeover bid. So there is probably another DA somewhere. A quick trip Todos Santos way during a belting nor'west swell. https://www.dexpan.com/pages/how-to-use-dexpan-break-concrete-rocks-easily. Criticism of the debris left on the beach, the erosion as the sea ran up against the wall and drew away all the sand during January 2022 swells and the manner in which these works have been carried out prompted council staff to investigate a number of times during the heavy swells, and has been under regular inspection since then. "Once this is up it'll be a momentum for others to do it too," said Orth. Florida is an example. Including the residents behind the great wall. Is Carties a perfect candidate for a coastal engineering and resculpting project that kills two birds with one stone: that fixes the harbour entrance shoaling problem and turns Carties into an actual quality wave? More often than not, the pollies retiire and are parachuted onto the boards of these companies and live out their lives having enriched themselves quite nicely. Pipeline specialist injured while duckdiving in heavy waves. The second DA is now here. I looked at the Bruun rule - i think it was roughly 10cm sea level rise = 1metre of beach vanishes? More than double in wealth the last 7 years. And it would also provide some useful evidence for fighting against any similar future proposals. If they were 100% against it but felt they had no choice but to design/sign it, then they simply have no morals/ethics/backbone. The primary mechanism for coastal land acquisition in NSW has been the Coastal Lands Protection Scheme, but it wasn't designed for climate/erosion buy-backs. Also, it's a not so secret secret, anyone who speaks out about this have been known to disappear. For a couple of furlongs it was quite close to the ocean but nobody cared. https://eservices.northernbeaches.nsw.gov.au/ePlanning/live/Public/XC.Tr And this (Item 4) gives the reasons they changed to a wall. Picture: Nearmap A subsequent image of Collaroy Beach from June 8, 2016. I have a blanket policy of not feeling sorry for people owning properties worth multiple millions of dollars, who have lived the better part of their lives walking from their beachfront home directly onto the sand. The Local Government Act allows the council to set a special rate to pay for that. Moreover, the current DA makes no mention of sand nourishment from sand sourced elsewhere, such as deeper water offshore. (AO) Brendan Donohoe says the . And please take a look at all the other ridicules things Coastal engineers are doing around this country so you can see the pattern of incompetence I am referring to. They've had a very very blessed life compared to anyone else in this country and that in return they would do such harm to a public place to save their private property is a bit sad. Its like stepping forty years back in time. The sheer number of cables there suggests to me that an offshore reef proposal would be unsuccesful. (As we all know, unfortunately, money/wealth/property seems to be many people's priority, and corrupt opportunists step in to "help" with that). oh yeah and someone call security. This is the only plausible outcome from the hard seawall construction and the engineers would have known this. That 3-4x the height of the curved revetment? Yeah nah. Inevitable as the ocean winning, is a painted "cock and balls" on that wall. Usually done by compulsory acquisition with the government working off existing market prices. IT WILL NOT FUCKN WORK YA FLOGS.. 5/6 NE SWELL NOW.. a proper ECL .. will destroy it .. this frustrates me .. These very costly bandaids never work and continue to fail while extending the problem to adjacent properties that don't have the wall. With the benefit of ignorance, having not seen the actual plans, I'd be surprised if the foundations were able to fail easily as I'd expect they'd have been designed explicitly to avoid it. They are trying to protect a life saving club, which footings lie directly on the sandunes that eroded due to not only the waves but also the changing in direction and position of the mouth of the river (natural process). They have just completed digging out a new path for the river to follow with excavators and every day Id watch the next morning after high tide their progress would seem effortless and the river would tend to follow the old direction. Yes, blowie, I've yet to see anyone our age advocating for a soft solution. It's an interesting point whether you just blame the owners for buying a house in such a risky area and hoping taxpayers will bail them out, versus the fact that the council must have approved people building houses there in the first place (although possibly a very long time ago), "Professor Short said the council bought properties along the beachfront and turned them into parklands in the 1970s and attempted to put a moratorium on redevelopment in the 1980s, but lost its case in court.". Hopefully there's someone with deep pockets able to go after the truth of the matter. There are three main types of seawalls: vertical, curved, and mound. Here Willi. Im not sure that councils have the legal authority to acquire the land, pretty sure that resides with State governments and the Feds only in certain circumstances. Im sure Fraser Island will give some back.. Heard rumours that the Wamberal Seawall has got green light hopefully the central coast council read this article. The people responsible for awarding the contracts get huge kickbacks. Amongst other things, it is illegal to "establish, maintain or use a spoil ground or other ocean disposal point (including dumping materials at sea)". increases social amenity". I think they would be very happy with an ugly seawall. Lance any surf info about Middleton Reef ? You'd think that would then open it up for more legal action (aka why did ABC get first dibs and XYZ missed out?). Bite the bullet and start buying the properties back and bulldozing them. Instead, sand nourishment is the popular solution to maintaining beach width, though both Donohoe and Gordon are feeling once bitten and skeptical of any council promises. Go figure! The wall is set to be seven metres tall, but three-quarters will then be covered by sand brought onto the beach. Has any one ever suggested an off shore reef, seems like a win-win or is the sea floor unsuitable? I think the re-sale value of their properties trumped their ability to access the from their back garden. My understanding is that the hard seawall was constructed with the specific intention to protect the private property behind the wall. Its a wicked problem theyve got, in the true sense of the word.. Existing market value must take into account that houses have erosion problems. The question is why did the owners go for such an unattractive solution that by all appearances seems to have blocked their beach access. Good point, lilas, that explains the mystery of why aborigines didn't build their homes close to the ocean. Old dude making a dash for it, budgie smugglers and a cricket cap. They are the real villains, as regardless of what anyone says or does, these idiots can allow or disallow engineering developments so the buck stops there! From deep state secret spot to modern media darling, what lessons can we learn from Cape Solander's evolution? The works to protect private homes is being 80% funded by private owners, with Council and the NSW Government contributing 10% each. Plop! The role of the council in all this might come out if people push hard enough. Ha! There are 11 parcels of public land (including the Collaroy carpark, South Narrabeen Surf Club, reserves and road ends) interspersed between 49 private parcels of land that require protection. It's like companies using buybacks in a crisis. A band of knowledgable people have gotten together and are in discussions about it and coming up with arguments and alternatives against it. Its brutalist engineering, says Gordon frankly. (Those suburbs are just local ones I know a bit about. https://lighthouse.mq.edu.au/article/september-2021/Living-Seawalls-in-g 5 min [P] Call of the Wild skinny dip at yer local Sea-Walljust doing wot comes natural! Sure, but wowee regarding that huge backwash and wave entering back into the surf zone. If anyone was to slide down the edge during one of these high-tide swells there would be a high chance of being washed off their feet and dragged out to sea. It would be the same as for any development adjacent to the cables where they make landfall. the whole sea level/erosion issue is here now ..hmm any idea's solutions you have come across? Although ill be constantly monitoring the situation and around at cathedral the beach profile has certainly been getting steeper. Greed and stupidity rule in councils . I first noticed them when I went to Nijjima island in the early 90's and asked what were they reply was to protect the land from erosion.they actually had the moulds for the TP's there and just kept making them when needed.. The track became a road. OMG!!! I avoid it because I dont think anyone truly is except for a small % of big players who manipulate the market (or act like the house) and the rest just ride the peaks and troughs. Around 80 percent of the cost will be shouldered by the property owners themselves while the remaining 20 percent will be jointly funded by the Northern Beaches Council and the NSW government. Went down for a look and its a fucken disgrace. My guess is that their engineers took a different view of how to best manage the situation. The Palm Beach artificial reef is now completed. The 18-year-old scored a near-perfect 9.50 in the Final, held at Seaside Reef in Encinitas, California. Old bathing boxes which were on long piers sitting out in the bay are now sitting in the middle of sand dunes. I doubt there will be a demand for the effected given the inevitable. Our timber guide wall formwork is not only reusable and 100% recyclable, it also prevents dangerous polystyrene fragments from entering the ecosystem. Here is the DA for the wall. Photograph: Lewis Isaacs/The Guardian Beachfront residents back. Precarious! This is where I live. I put up links to both DAs the other day. Honestly he might be correct based on the Manly erosion hahhaa. There is no evidence whatsoever of accelerated erosion seaward of these newly constructed works. (9News) But the structure has divided locals, with many describing it as an eyesore, and there are concerns it may wipe out the beach entirely. Council and State Government contribute 10% each. The Collaroy Beach seawall project was put to the test for the first time today with the arrival of a moderate to large east-northeast groundswell from ex-Tropical Cyclone Seth, coinciding with a king tide. I have written to the Office Of Local Government about my concerns over the hiding of the second DA. But unlike a rock revetment at Stockton, which gradually collapses into the beach, Collaroy's sheer concrete wall relies on deep foundations to stabilise it. Also, "some councils are genuinely desperate to embrace the most apocalyptic climate change forecasts" - in your view what are "apocalyptic forecasts" of climate change and which councils are you referring to? The state government and council are together tipping in 20 per cent of the costs for the construction of a wall stretching from Collaroy to South Narrabeen after heavy surf and powerful storms . The Collaroy Beach seawall project was put to the test for the first time today with the arrival of a moderate to large east-northeast groundswell from ex-Tropical Cyclone Seth, coinciding with a king tide. Be interesting to know whether the assumptions for the modelling included any information on the value of the beach to be lost, belly. That's crazy stuff. The sooner we (as humans) acknowledge the nature of nature, and work with it instead of against it, the better for everybody. Here's a screengrab from the website about the proposed breakwall extension: It seems that the main concern about the extension is the interruption of the natural flow of sand onto Mooloolaba beach and hence increased erosion risk. Alas this would have meant some loss / damage to private property. Though with 80 properties at risk, and coastal real estate prices at a premium, they gave up on that approach in 2007. The seven metres protruding above sea level is vertical, even going beyond vertical for the final metre to prevent wave overtopping. I recently tested an Open-Source Wave modeling software called "Celeris" and the result are really good although I didn't go too in-depth with it. In 1974I witnessed what cyclonic ocean power can do to ignorantly planned beach development 50 years on and a lot of sea miles under my belt. Theyre only a couple of hundred years away from As hostile native rescue party moves in for the killOh the Humanityreads Humilityreads Kook! 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