"Proper amounts" and "correct points" are hardly scientifically precise terms, so I regret that I don't know what you might mean. No question my friend John Pickard is the way to go for a Dickerson reproduction. Perhaps you can see why I think that a 1500 cane rod may be a bargain! by Morten 05/26/17 03:35, Post Take a Garrison. 0.288 Browse our collection of vintage fly boxes and wallets. I'm not familiar with Tom Fulk's true arc taper. Dickerson 8015 Guide Special By Jim Schaaf, 2458 - 11. (Lew) Parks. June - October 2023 American Museum Of Fly Fishing. 0.320 (David Zincavage), You can inform your authority that he is wayyyyyyyyyy off base!! Solid construction of suitable solidity involved unattractive weight penalties. We now have solid parameters around which to modify, to refine rod design characteristics. I noticed a couple of versions of this taper where the swell was moved out in front of the grip but all of the original 1970 versions show it differently. 0.120 I get tired of hearing that kind of comment. Spurred into rodmakingby losing his job in the great depression, Lyle Dickerson would go on tobecome one of the masters of the craft. Orvis passed the 60,000 bamboo rods made number quite some time back and of course is still making them. From 80 to 85, there is an increase of ~.070. 0.102 0.088 This first set was posted on The Classic Fly Rod Forum by Jeff Fultz. 60 0.231 142296 10 .112 .262 The tip tapers are the only redeeming feature of his designs, and now you tell me they were not deliberate, I'll burn my copy of "The Book" immediately, at least I shall be spared tolerating toadying references to "Garry" when ever (very seldom, in fact) I refer to it! .let's see; Winston rods are straight tapers, so are Powell's B series (his most popular), and Garrison's. You can do all the compensation you like for varnish thickness, ring weight and ferrules but you will still not produce anything like as good as a properly calculated compound taper rod. These are our limited edition models, only released every few years. If so, which would work best as an all-around rod for lakes/ponds and steelhead/salmon? Dave Norling, Rush River Rods, makes a stepdown 13/12 ferrule, the only size stepdown that he offers , that works very well for this taper. The '51 is a bit softer. If you're willing to accept our assumptions about varnish thickness and how to interpolate between measurements, then the table on the last page is the one to use. You could have chosen Tom Fulk's true arc taper as the norm and try to describe the deviations from that. Dickerson Rods Notes On Rods and Models Rod Features Rod Bags & Tubes Rod Markings and Script Buyer/Collector Beware Dickerson Articles About The Model Profiles Dickerson 761510 Dickerson 8014 Guide The Tom Clark Collection Anecdotes & Unseen Photos Dickerson Guide Series The Earliest Dickerson What Are The Chances? You can draw a straight line between the tip and the butt of any taper. But if you decide to tell the world that this is therefore the right way to design a fishing rod then I'm going to disagree with you! A taper is a fishing rod term that defines the rod length, optimal line weight, and rod flex action. (Dennis Higham). Here's a classic Winston from the Hexrod taper archive. This is the second invitation to fish Michigan, and I thank you sincerely for it. There are about 4 to 5 version of the 7013, I like the 1970 version the best. But nobody has a right to ask me to share it. 10 0.097 The butt has a long flex area from 45"- 75" and a butt swell. I have been gobs smacked many times when the customer turns around and says I like this one. In terms of rod design I think that it is really worthwhile considering as many design approaches as possible when trying to design and assess tapers. Hardy Fly Fishing Rod Trout Fishing Rods & Poles 8 Guides, Hardy Fly Reel Trout Fishing Reels, Hardy Trout Fishing Rods & Poles, (Will McMurrey). My 2 cents. One of our longstanding rod models with classic cane color and a slightly more moderate action. 50 0.203 148510 Contact us to learn more about how we can help! 0.266 Rod makers history, value guide and general discussion, Link to Orvis Database by Greg Reynolds, Link to EC Powell's Mechanics of fly casting. (Greg Reeves), This version appears to me to take a step into account. is obviously your opinion, which you are entitled to. .212 is way too big for a 13/64, it's well into the 14/64 fit range. that is less the difference of the step. The American Museum of Fly Fishing Collection Gift of . 40 .200 under grip I was contemplating a rod with a 3.5 ft tip section and interchangeable butt sections of maybe 2, 3 and 4 ft lengths. They were severely inhibited by several difficulties. You may think you are being rude about "Classic" production methods, but they're probably better than mine. (Paul Blakley). .334@35 The stepdown in the male is from a 14/64 ID where the ferrule initially goes over the bamboo and steps down to 12/64 ID for the bamboo inside of the male slide. 0.369 (Al Baldauski). Very similar to the 8013 action ( my favorite rod ) but in the 4w class, mission accomplished. 0.369 8ft #5wt. So a 13 size ferrule has a female and male sleeve that is .203 and a male insert that is .1718 or 11/64's. And, it's true, if you were really screwed and couldn't get a Dickerson, and were absolutely forced to rough it with a Payne, I do think you could manage to get by without shedding too many tears. I have a chart of the dimensions at home, if you need a copy email me off list. It also is fine on smaller streams. There are no great tapers and nobody invented anything. (Pete Van Schaack), Has anyone made the Dickerson 8015 guide special at some time? by avyoung 06/16/16 18:33, Post In reading my post the tone seems a little harsh. Your projected experiment may be described as simplistic and wasteful of time by some, but I think that you will learn a very great deal about what you personally like about taper rates. If you were to design rods using a visual representation of it's deflection then deviation from a straight line doesn't matter. (Mark Wendt), At least according to Jack Howell's measured tapers in "The Lovely Reed". All through this process you must be aware of the stress curves as well, you don't want to make changes that will cause a rod to fail. CSE made the ferrule for me. Yes you do have the seemingly limitless variation of moving the point or points and amount of material added or removed along the rod length. Interests: Building bamboo fly rods (occasionally), fly fishing for trout. (Steve Weiss), Good idea, Steven, but you would have get in line behind me and one of my Garrisons. If you know something different about Dickerson's typical varnsh coat, make the appropriate adjustment. This rod has some meat in the butt section and seems to mend a fair bit of line with ease. 0.160 I would agree that one system is not all encompassing and I agree with the selection of evaluating criteria you outlined. (Lee Koch), I primarily use RodDNA for my taper selection. Or, if these are not good tapers for this, any suggestions as to which tapers would be? 10 .310 .159 (Will McMurrey), Just very briefly, a Castle Connell taper is a good example, where you have a curious reverse taper in the upper part of the lower half of the rod. by Aransas.clarks 05/09/09 02:49, Post I measured the rod after seeing David Ray's posting of an 861711 in his taper library that is accessed from Hexrod. . In the hands of a good caster, this taper will make a fly line do things that amaze. Looking at the 5" dimensions for the Dickerson 7613 (1970 taper), there is a big swell under the grip. You don't find a need for a 7'6" 5wt on your streams. 0.174 They are very nice 5 weights ( IMHO it is THE 8 5 wt). The two different numbers are for the tip and the butt of the rod. (John Channer). (Will Price). $ 1950us w/two tips, DICKERSON 7012 - 7' 2/2 - 4wt- honey colored - medium action, wonderful 4wt$ 1950us w/two tips. by SpringCreek 06/12/16 10:45, Post The only limit you have in this process, you can't change the tip diameter because you would be changing the line weight of the rod. 0.078 November - May That's the "raw cane" numbers. (Mark Wendt). This rod belonged to rodbuilder Tim Bedford. I want to build a rod that does what a Dickerson 7613 does when casting and fished. It has a butt swell of about .070 also. But if you really like Dickerson tapers (i sure do) then getting a good maker to whip up his version of that taper while using his personal cosmetics would be my first choice. 1 wt 0.0540 the all-around trout rod out here in the Western US. Most of the classic rodmakers continually "fudged" their tapers over the years (sometimes unintentionally due to machine and pattern wear, and sometimes deliberately). I just fished them both side by side on the Green River. 35 .207 .086 Daryll Whitehead would be another good choice. Is that the 1949 or the 1951 version? This is one of those bio-feedback things you must be self taught IMHO. I think you are being a tad myopic, if you can't see that .016, .014, and .015 AVERAGE OUT to equal .014". I add a few thousandths to the last 3 inches to get a better fit. Kind of sounds like a pro Pickard crowd here. 10 .110 .254 by oldfishbrain 06/19/16 10:39, Post You can vary the slope to get the "speed" you want (Garrison's are .013/5"; a B-9 .015/5"; and I've built them as fast as .018/5"). (Tom Smithwick), See what Steve says, lots of people (Americans ? The Lovely Reed by Jack Howell has numbers for the 1949 and 1951 versions. by avyoung 06/12/16 21:25, Post Is there anyone who could help us finding the right data conserning the taper. OK, the rod was a Paul Young Perfectionist. Although it takes only 3 sizes to make a given size ferrule, he may have made a specialty set. The butt dimension at the ferrule is too large to fit in a 13/64. the mid is 42' and the closest measurements are 40" and 45" SO 2/5THS THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE BETWEEN 40 AND 42 AND 3/5THS THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE BETWEEN 42 AND 45th. In case you didn't get the taper before, here it is: 0.066 0.278 0.334 The Dickersons that I've seen were similar. Lyle Dickerson (1892-1981) has long been known as a pioneer in rodbuilding, due partly to his use of machinery in production but primarily appreciated by fishermen for many of his fast and accurate taper designs. If you move it up to the mid section you might add a hinge that gets involved in the normal cast.. which is usually to be avoided. More info. 0.308 Suggest that you subtract .006 for varnish. (Gary Nicholson). 0.369 I'm not sure why you don't like Garrison, nor his tapers, but you can have your own opinions as can everyone else. Bill said that the book he has written on the subject is going to the printers and should be out soon.. (No financial interest.) (Tim Pembroke). To the right of that you'll see there is a column allowing for varnish. 20 .143 .292 I've cast the original and it is one strong casting rod and deserving of the Guide Special nomenclature. Lyle Dickerson tapered copies Lyle Dickerson (1892-1981) has long been known as a pioneer in rodbuilding, due partly to his use of machinery in production but primarily appreciated by fishermen for many of his fast and accurate taper designs. if you don't have ~ 1/64 drop over the ferrule it isn't a true taper. In fact, I had great trouble casting the bloody thing. That's not a lot to ask is it? Experience the difference of a Mystic Fly Rod on your next expedition. Made by Top Ten Tapers in Twinsburg, Ohio. In other words as the load increased, more of the rod would flex in a liner fashion. Chris likes it for Smallmouth on the Shenandoah. (Robin Haywood). )really love this taper. Because of subjective issues like feel and personal prejudices, not to mention fashion, we "adjust" this a bit in fishing rods. Can't remember which is which without looking in the book, but one is lighter than the other. And well worth the little time it takes to execute. The 6 for the Hex the 7 for streamers. The rod in question has a test curve of 4 ozs, by the way. They did not understand that a slow taper pole will bend near the point of grip under stress, whereas a fast taper will bend increasingly towards the tip as the rate of taper increases. It made a fine rod, but you have to smooth out the taper leading into and out of the 45 and 50" stations as the rod was designed for a step down ferrule. Modified Lyle Dickerson 6611 Dry-Fly Action: 6' 6" 3 or 4: 11/64: 2/2: P702: Ponds, creeks . (Robin Haywood). (Bob Norwood), That is kind of what I was thinking but if the rod is 7'6", that is 90". I will assume that you have calculated those several effects correctly, although I see no details. (Lowell Davis), The 8013 is definitely NOT a longer version of the 7613. Cross Rods. Besides, he's a fun guy to chat with about almost anything to do with fly fishing and the outdoors. Somehow the "D" was either left off by me in the original posting or was lost in translation to David's site. Measurements under the handle are obviously estimates. .278@25 I would suggest you should RESPECT the man (as well as EC Powell and others) who made contributions to providing us all with tools to understand and continue to develop taper design (Hexrod being one, a powerful and easily applied tool, I believe based on Garrison's math). 15 0.1115 You are correct, this is just a way of evaluating the effects of adding or subtracting material from different areas along a rods length. 6-strip Tonkin bamboo Any rod with a straight taper under load will feel to a greater or lesser extent, unnecessarily heavy in the tip and too soft in the butt. Easy casting and very versatile. This in itself is a very interesting exercise. (Paul Blakley), I think a 7'6'' rod is short for any line weight. I have thougt of the 8013, as a 5 weight. The 7613 Golden Witch version, a 6 wt, has a somewhat softer tip than the 8013 getting stronger toward the lower tip. Following tests I no longer cook UHU. (Stephen Dugmore). by mosquito 05/08/09 09:33, Post Rod making, restoration, repairs and discussion on those related topics concerning bamboo rods. (Mark Wendt), I checked the several places that I usually look for tapers and they all had the swell starting at 80". Spring Creek Four, Bob Summers has built and repaired quality bamboo fly rods since 1956. If you want to make overweight rods with unnecessarily heavy tips and relatively floppy butts then straight tapers will deliver. Overhanging trees? They would be; The Straight line taper is the most basic and then the six major deviations of the SLT. (Jerry Foster), Where do you get that? Your statement that "if you want to make overweight rods with unnecessarily heavy tips and relatively floppy butts then straight tapers will deliver. Latterly, they considered that a fiberglass butt section would solve all their troubles. Mystic Outdoors is the premier manufacturer of high-performance fly fishing equipment for new anglers and seasoned veterans alike. Pt Butt Tip The taper on David Ray's site is an 861711D. Adding material to the butt section will stiffen and add power. Dickerson 801611-D - 8ft 3pc 7wt Posted by Jeremy Gray, Aug 30, 2000. 0.111 Good question and I will tell you as soon as I finish my 5wt SLT. John Pickard only way to go. Springcreek, the 8013 you have listed. All but the parabolic and the hinge will have the same ferrule dimension so tips and butt sections can be interchanged to create any of the major taper variations. He has some of the original taper ledgers from Dickerson's shop and can clone a rod as well as anyone. The best reason that I can give you as to why Dickersons are popular tapers (Along with another Michigan maker Paul Young) is that they are nice casting rods and fit our fishing very well. 0.206 0.189 Now you have a rod in the length, line weight and number of section you want. If you look at the attached graph you will see that my Compensated Straight Line Taper does indeed have a Straight Horizontal Stress Curve at 20 feet of line outside the tiptop. a 3 1/2 wt - were that possible. So far everyone that has put the numbers up on Russ Goodings 7613 LT has listed 19 measurements. Do any rod makers sells rods they do not like? Let's be honest about this. 0.093 15 0.115 163502 Examples would be different techniques or methods used by restorationists and makers. Dickerson was a self-taught rodmaker who designed his own rod-milling and planing equipment. the 3pc tapers were appropriated from other makers so it does not always hold true in that case. 0.196 I don't think anyone fishes the same. Just basic principles that have been around for years. 0.275 How would you characterize their casting characteristics? I don't find the 7'6" length to be too short. Thanks. 25 0.142 158834 Gift of Heidi Bedford, Yearc. What does the taper of a rod that roll cast well look like? The point is this: a straight taper only leads to a flat stress curve, as you say, UNDER THE RIGHT CONDITIONS. 0.350 As for roll casting, the only person I know who documented his thoughts was Wayne Cattanach.. Determine the effect of adding or subtracting material as to what effect it will have on rod action, we can design rods for a specific purpose. It will be one of the rods in what I am calling my Basic Reference Taper set. The other issue is mandrels and they just don't come in 1/128 sizes. As you got more line out the rod would flex deeper into the shaft. Must have been a real thrill to cast Banjos' rod. .248@15 The guy turns out to be a top casting instructor. It seems several people have made rods for a given ferrule size (Dickerson #) with a size larger Super-Z. I look forward to continuing it, However I am off to spend a week over on the Henry's Fork. $95.00 The rod is currently 7'-2" after a test fit so I want to trim to the correct 7-0 length. I own a Thramer 6611 and 7012 HB tapers, both with Thramer cosmetics and they are both awesome rods. 4 wt 0.0680 0.248 He can correct this if he is still hanging around. That his tapers could be surpassed by todays standards? (Will Price), Is not 7'6'' a bit short for a five weight? There are some differences between their tapers and line sizes, however they are all somewhat medium fast. Jim Schaaf. I have modified these tapers to adjust them for what I think is a more modern feel. (Chris Obuchowski). A significant part of that application are the prejudices of the person who is going to be using it. Gary - The following taper was taken from a varnished 8013. Some good stuff here. Conversely, the .202 is at the low end of fit for a 14/64. All 5wt with identical terminal tip and butt dimensions. 25 .156 .310 It is quite different that the Garrison math method. I do not rule out the possibility of owning a Lyle Dickerson rod one day but, may I ask, if you own or were having a rod made today with a Dickerson taper, If you want a Dickerson - John Pickard is your best choice. Casting 20 feet of 5wt line the stress curve is flat. Fast Dickerson 7613 - 7'6" 2pc So the question - I have been trying to define the specific characteristic that each basic deviation from the SLT imparts to the action of the rod. I've made at least a dozen Perfectionists (most with a swelled butt so they aren't exactly the same) and all their owners love them. : This is a 5 wt line SLT. (Greg Reeves). by Morten 06/12/16 08:37, Post The fact that a rod has a straight taper does not tell us if the stress curve is flat or slopes up or down. On a theoretical straight line or linear taper the rod would load progressively down to the handle. (John Channer), I have never been able to describe to anyone else how a rod feels to them. (Tim Pembroke), I wasn't aware of that but now that I've been told it does make perfect sense. Garrison's tapers may have been all right in his day, for the equipment and applications he was designing for, i.e. by ShenRods 05/08/09 01:54, Post . I won't know the difference if it isn't perfect but want to do things approximately correct. 0.120 "And look at the difference in the prices they go for!" Line Size Tip Size (Henry Mitchell), Yes but those 2 particular tapers are what many Dickerson aficionados refer to as the 7613 Guide and are much more comfortable with a 6 wt line than a 5 wt. I like to look at the taper itself and how it compares to a straight line taper, the stress curve, the tip deflection under loading, the shape the rod assumes under maximum loading, the rod weight and the center of gravity. The last 7613 is a version by Todd Talsma, it is the strongest one a 6/7 wt similar to the 1952 model. 0.360 (Tim Pembroke). For any thing else but roll casting or keeping a very finite weight of DT in the air, it's useless. I'm just curious if you have a procedure to do this compensation on the taper itself or if you do this by stress calculation methods? Some people call them "step-down" but it is worth noting that the top and the bottom openings of his ferrules are usually the same diameter; the "step" across the ferrule occurred in the bamboo, not the metal. Perhaps it's a European thing to like fast action rods ? 40 .200 .070 (Robin Haywood), Is 8'4" a bit long for a 4 wt.? 0.288 But all right is not a euphemism for excellent. to use it on trout other than the Yough, Savage River reservoir and some lakes. Station Diameter Typically it is a heavy tip section combined with a light butt section. The difference is for a step-down ferrule. Whether you're picking out your very first fly-fishing rod or coming in for a new modern fly reel after years out on the water, Sportsman's Warehouse can supply you with the very best fly-fishing equipment. BTW, Paul, different strokes for different folks. Its a very useful exercise. I have not tried it with an 8 weight but I will as soon as I get back from Texas, ya'll. 0.144 The last tip measurement (that goes into the male ferrule) is .204. (Bob Norwood). 1 2 3 Reducing material in the butt section will make the butt more limber and allow flex deeper into the butt. 'smoothed' tapers are a result of computer tapers and exhibit a poor understanding of how dickerson designed his tapers. I'm satisfied with my bamboo fly rod, even though the female metal Ferrule opening was a little big and the male ferrule on the second section would slip out after a few cast. There are two Perfectionists on Hexrod. A Lyle Dickerson model 8014 bamboo fly rod, 8', 2-piece, 3-tip, and built for a #6 line. .232@10 I just put stepdown ferrules on my first rod, an 8014 Dickerson. That said, even this quite powerful taper isn't sufficient to handle large deer hair bass bugs or heavily weighted 2/0 streamers. Casting range allows for some delicacy up close and personal, to the times that you want to reach out and touch someone a bit further away. "God made dogs to steal our hearts and they do.". (If memory serves me right Tony Young sells step down ferrules for Dickerson rods, so you may try that. I repaired the rod with by putting on a custom ferrule. I don't disagree with any one here in fact I think you are all correct. As we all know, rods can often cast line weights one up and down from their designated ones. 13/12. 30 .216 .099 Only lost 1/2 inch in rod length. (Bret Reiter), I call this one a seven too. The same can be said for the EC Powell taper in Hexrod (the 7'6" 2pc 6wt in the archives) which IS A B-9 TAPER; just look at the average slope from stations from the 80" mark thru 0". Brewer Rods These rods use tried and true taper designs as a starting point. (Robin Haywood). (Chris Obuchowski). The swell starts at the 80" mark which will be under the cork assuming I have a grip and an insert roughly 10" in length. (Harry Boyd), In Dickerson-speak, does a 7613 have a 14 on the butt to 13 on the tip or a 13 on the butt to 12 on the tip stepdown? Whether Dickerson tweaked them to suit individuals or not I can't say. I could probably improve just by buying a new cheap file.. I am sure there are situations where a bit more length would be helpful, but who am I to argue with Mr. Dickerson? In practice most people these days do not take well to these technically correct ideas, preferring a slope to the straight line, giving higher strain levels near the tip, i.e. One authority I know claims Jim Payne actually built more fly rods than Orvis. Fly Fishing Supplies & Gear. Consider this, the aspect of looking at tapers as deviations from straight lines is most valid when you are designing from numbers and not from stress or deflection. (Reed Guice), Dickerson used the ferrule sizes in the rod to denote both the ferrule and the number of pieces in the rod. 0.168 In fact, if you want to design a cane "Parabolic" which will perform as Ritz wanted all you have to do is choose a tip taper you fancy and plonk it out on the end of a fast taper hollow built butt of whatever length you fancy. (four piece) carbon fiber fly rod blank $85.00 13' 7/8wt. That is up to the tip transition point, or max tip stress point according to Garrison. 2 piece. Can someone explain what this means and what number should I use. For each size ferrule there is a specific range of dimensions that will fit inside each size. The rest of the shown increase is, in my opinion, just for looks. Ralph Tuttle did the actual spreadsheet work. If you like I can send you a compensated SLT and you will see what I mean. anyway that's how I do it. Garrison's are straight except for the last 15 inches which he "fudged" to accommodate one of the standard tip top sizes. Has anyone cast both 1949 and 1951 versions of the Dickerson 8013 as described in Howell's book? (Weren't they made in a garage?) The trouble is, that's all it does! 0.088 All sections are full length and straight. I would say it's a strong 7 wt, but it should work well with a 8 WF. 0.102 Howell says "they are just different" in his book, but I am looking for something bit more specific. That's so the swell is still in the action length. I have one of his 7625's, and it's a great rod, being a 7613 replica. Just have finish paying for the last kids college. (Larry Swearingen), Sorry about the double question, original question appeared lost in cyberspace. Pezon/Michel. (Robin Haywood), I find this a very interesting. (Robin Haywood). All that stops me is time, I get about six weeks a year unencumbered by business or meetings and I'm booked up to 2010! Especially if you know how the rods actually cast. (John Silveira). All he needed to do was speed up the butts, preferably with a concave taper form, and he would really have been cooking with gas! What species do fish for with your bamboo rods? I've built this one which was posted to the rodmaker's listserv years ago. More than an eight weight is required to handle the largest of flies. For those of you that have built this rod, does it flex into the beginning of the handle? A 2pc rod is much less vulnerable to breakage when fitted that way than a 3pc tip ferrule. (Harry Boyd). 0.128 I cannot come up with an application for a 7'6''#5, with its inherent disadvantages for roll casting. 25 .160 .308 Dickerson Rods. Just for once I'm going to recommend a step down ferrule! (Gary Nicholson), So out of great curiosity then - how would you describe to me (someone who doesn't have a clue) how the action would feel or perform with regard to a "Straight Taper Rod" comparatively speaking. The 6611 has a swelled butt unlike many versions I've seen and is an especially sweet rod. by Lee Koch 06/12/16 21:18, Post In the upper left corner, in blue, you'll see the real measurements we took, for all 3 flats at each measurement point. Besides that, he's extremely knowledgeable about Dickerson, is the present owner of the Dickerson rod shop, and has an extreme reverence for Lyle's creations and tapers. Swell is still in the book, but one is lighter than the other an. 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